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mukichan:
crochetcrochet
crochetcrochet
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Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 11:35 am
Starching / Gluing Yarn?

I've heard of people starching their jeans. Would it work the same way on yarn to give it a stiffer-form?

Or would it just be easier to mix glue and water and dip the FO in there?

I'm making like miniature top-hats, but I don't want it to lose shape or form or anything and I thought about the whole starching and gluing thing.

If glue would be better, what types of glue would work best with acrylic yarn? What about cotton yarn??

Thanks for all your support guys!

~K.

::EDIT::
Here's my prototype in case you guys want to see it. They're smallish, like they can fit in my palm. I plan to use a ribbon so that you can arrange it to stay on the head. But, I might look into hair combs or some sort of hair clip.

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jadesfire
jadesfire
jadesfire2808
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 03:38 pm (UTC)

I used spray-starch at Christmas to stiffen the snowflakes I'd made so the pattern could be seen. I pinned them out (like you would for blocking) then sprayed them with a considerable amount of starch, and it seemed to work just fine. The only drawback is that the surface *feels* starched, and if it was getting touched regularly (like taken on and off a toy), I think the starch would eventually wear off.

Still, if they're essentially for decoration, you could sit the hat over an appropriately sized tube to give the shape, then spray it with starch, and it should hold.

Hopefully somone else knows more about the glue side, but the first thing that occurs to me is that it might make them white? You'd need expert advice on that one ;)


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)

I figured that if the glue normally dries clear and it's watered down a bit. I think it'll still work. but I'm not sure cause I've never glued/starched before.


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loveshercoffee
loveshercoffee
loveshercoffee
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)

I used liquid starch on cotton yarn about 20 years ago to make crocheted baskets out of doilies. It works like a charm and it sounds like your top hats might be a similar type of project; something that really needs to hold shape.

As for glue - a water based glue would probably work better for an acrylic yarn than starch as the starch really needs to soak in - which it can't do with acrylic. Elmer's type of glues dry clear, so I don't think there will be discoloration, however it gets a bit cloudy after a few coats. I would try it on a sample to see how it looks and feels to you.


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:07 pm (UTC)

yea, I've made a few prototype minihats just for testing the glues.

But I will look into liquid starch if I decide to use cotton instead.


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caitirin
caitirin
Sister Nailgun of Enlightened Compassion
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)

You might want to consider felting options as well for these hats (which sound awesome). It'd give them some weight and help them hold up for longer I would think.


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)

The thing is, wool yarn, alpaca yarn, and other animal yarns that normally felt really well irritates my skin to the point of bleeding. It's like I have an allergy to it. So I don't know if acrylic or cotton would felt well at all. o.o I've never felted them before.


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caitirin
caitirin
Sister Nailgun of Enlightened Compassion
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:58 pm (UTC)

ahhh yeah, that would be a problem. You may have an allergy if the reaction is that bad.

Cotton and acrylic won't felt at all. Only natural animal fibers can felt :)

So sounds like starching and gluing are the way to go! :)


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gonzy317
gonzy317
endra75
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)

I used to make corcheted wreaths out of cotton thread (GIANT doilies, essentially) and used an elemer's glue base to stiffen them so they'd hold. it works well, but can be messy. Good luck!


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:57 pm (UTC)

if I used elmer's glue, would adding water ruin it? Or would it not do much of anything other than thinning it out?


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gonzy317
gonzy317
endra75
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 04:58 pm (UTC)

It just thins it out and makes it usable. :) Plus, it's entirely washable, so if you don't like how it turns out you can wash it out of your piece.


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)

awesome! :D I may have to try the elmer's glue since it's cheaper!


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goodjoan
goodjoan
Joan
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 06:55 pm (UTC)

If people are going to wear them, I might go with laundry starch instead of glue. If these are on your head and you start to swear, the glue will rehydrate and get in your hair and that could be messy. Laundry starch shouldn't rub off like glue might.


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 11:41 pm (UTC)

is laundry starch hard to find? Also, will it ruin acrylic yarn?


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goodjoan
goodjoan
Joan
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 11:09 pm (UTC)

It should be fine for acrylic, it's made for use on fabric. My local grocery store has it, it's in the laundry aisle!


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coffeeem
coffeeem
Emma Bull
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 07:32 pm (UTC)

I have no experience with stiffening crocheted projects. I'm just here to say that top hat is terrific! A pouf of net veiling, a ribbon band and a spray of miniature fabric roses or dashing curved feathers, and voila! Dazzling steampunk headwear!


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 10:06 pm (UTC)

EXACTLY!! :D I plan on going to a few Anime conventions and figured I could make a few sales doing what I do best. ;3 Hooking up some yarn!


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jellopony
jellopony
Jellopony
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)

wouldn't only coating the inside be away to avoid the possibility of a color change problem?
(never tried before, so it is only a thought)


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Tue, Apr. 20th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I'm using primarily using yarns that are non-dyelot.

I have considered investing in plastic canvas sheets to hold the shape.


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coffeeem
coffeeem
Emma Bull
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 01:13 am (UTC)

Y'know, using two strands of yarn and the same size hook might be all you need to make your little toppers stiff enough. I've made baskets with two and three strands held together, and they're pretty solid.


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 01:48 am (UTC)

Last time I tried that, I had to take a break every two minutes. xD The yarn suggested an I hook, and I normally use an F... So... crocheting two strands on an F hook would not be very fun. (I've even tried going up a size and my hands still cramp up)


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thiemecraft
thiemecraft
thiemecraft
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 08:28 am (UTC)

i can't help at all with the stiffening, but the hats are adorable. i'd love to try it, do you mind sharing the pattern?


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 12:38 pm (UTC)

Unfortunately, because I do plan on selling the finished products at local Anime conventions and online, I do not think I would feel comfortable sharing this pattern to anyone. I'm sorry if this causes any inconveniences.


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nerdy_leo
nerdy_leo
Lazy McFatTits
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 10:09 am (UTC)

Don't have any suggestions, but those are awesome! I would so buy one. Are they lolita accessories?


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mukichan
mukichan
Kimi Nguyen
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 12:36 pm (UTC)

I'm currently playing around with the overall design and will be selling them as lolita and steampunk fashion accessories at local Anime conventions here in Atlanta and online through etsy. I might also toss in some miniature Mad Hatter ones in celebration of the new Alice in Wonderland movie. ;3


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jestericalgod
jestericalgod
Sebastian
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2010 11:56 pm (UTC)

Once upon a time when I worked for a haunted house we used a mixture of water and white glue to mold muslin into tree forms. The haunt was rained on numerous times and the trees themselves were doused by yours truly with liquid fire retardant. Neither forms of moisture re-hydrated the glue nor soaked into the fabric once the glue was dry. It's probably your best bet.


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ladycallie
ladycallie
Stephanie
Fri, Apr. 23rd, 2010 07:51 am (UTC)

You might look into scrapbooking glue. It's clear and it dries nicely. It might be stiffer then you want though.


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